Thank you, Ms. Susan Roces for speaking up and voicing out the same frustrations. You have inspired me. Gloria resign!
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Sinong ipapalit mo?
Para kay Susan:
Magtirik ka ng kandila
sa puntod ng iyong asawa.
Magtirik ka ng kandila
at tumigil na sa pag-asa
Magtirik ka ng kandila
O, ginang biyuda.
Magtirik ka.
Magtigil ka.
Paalala: Si Susan Roces ay isang ARTISTA
yes. discredit her because she’s just an actress.
Ikaw ang nagsabi nyan …
Si Estrada ay isang artista …
Si FPJ ay isang artista …
yada yada yada …
Ang pagpili ng liders sa ating bansa ay through elections. We do not choose or reject a lider through a mob. Hindi naman tayo for a mob rule diba? Ang bansa natin ay regulated ng institutions: kongress, senado etc. Para may order ang lipunan natin - we have the constitution. Dapat sumunod tayo sa ating batas - if we want to keep this nation together. Let kongress do its work - thats the only way. If we dont want kongress to conduct impeachement process - ano gusto natin? Anarchy? Military Junta?
Ok..for GMA to resign? Thats her prerogative. But then the sucession has to be followed. Sundin ang batas.
Ang pulitika sa ating bansa ay di matitigil. The presidente wannabes, and has beens cannot wait. Have you seen Pimentel on TV? Vinzons - Chato, etc. Look and asses how desperate they look! Ang mga natangal sa posisyon ay gustong bumalik - so that it will be them who can milk the cow.
Juan de la Cruz is suffering. Our country is faced with crisis: oil prices is going up, budget deficit, high unemployment, peso is going to the ditch etc. Ano solusyon ng oposisyon? Tanggalin si GMA? Will it solve our problems? Pag si Roces - tangalin din kaya? Will she solve the country’s problems? Or ang pulitika, rallies, EDSA, impeachement - will just repeat and be a vicious cycle?
Para sa akin: Tigil muna ang pulitika - dahil ito ang ugat bakit naghihirap ang bansa.
Tigil pulitika at tayo ay magkaisa.
Tigil pulitika at tayo ay magkaisa. Amen
i agree with june, tigil pulitika muna.
If GMA will resign or be ousted, then what? what do you think would be the solution. Revolutionary Government? Susan as President? Noli as her successor? (probably not, ayaw din ng opposition, since nandaya din daw siya), SNAP Election? (with the same trapo politicians)
Susan now seems to be the opposition’s considered “alternate” for GMA. She’s not even legally qualified to be president.(what can a dead presidential candidate’s wife role be?) Papayag ka ba na siya ang magiging presidente?
In my opinion, there’s really no definite alternative.
Pahabol Bikoy.
Nagsalita na si Susan , galit na at nagsisigaw. Tapos na lumabas ang tape. Tapos na rin lumabas ang jueteng. Pero ala pa ring EDSA! Bakit? Kailangan pa ba ng mga pasabog para magkaEDSA?
Kahit ano pa gawin nila, ala ng mangyayaring EDSA, dahil:
1. Noisy minority sila.
2. Buking ng mga tao kong gaano ka desperado ang oposisyon sa mga posisyon. Alam ng mga tao na ginagamit lang sila. Si Susan kaya alam niya?
3. Alam ng mga tao na hindi magbabago ang kanilang kalagayan kahit matangal pa si Gloria.
I’m not even saying I want Susan Roces to replace Arroyo. Even if I am not his biggest fan, I have no choice, we have no choice but to have Noli take over if ever Gloria resigns. I want Gloria Arroyo to resign, because like you, I would not like to see another People Power, I would not like the country to go through another painful impeachment process, I do not want a military junta either. But if she insists on being arrogant, then I believe rallying is a viable and democratic option.
Cheating is wrong. What is wrong is wrong. No amount of justification should allow its tolerance. Shame on people who do.
Cheating is wrong. What is wrong is wrong. No amount of justification should allow its tolerance. Shame on people who do…Victor
Wag maging ipokrita and don’t be so arrogant to judge Arroyo as if mas matindi ka pa ke Lord at mas magaling ka pa sa Korte Suprema..
Wrong is wrong (pero ibaba natin sarili as tao,hindi Dyos na hindi nagkakamali)but it can be corrected and justified for a higher encompassing goal like-self-preservation.
Kailangan ng pinas eh self-preservation,hindi,MORALIZING AT SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS.tingnan nga muna natin yong ating mga sariling dumi..bago magpipilit maglinis sa dumi ng iba..At wag namang ipalit natin sa maduming Arroyo eh kaseng dumi at mas madumi pa sa kanya.tsk.
Go for Sobriety Ever!People Power Sucks!
alam mo lahat tayo may kasalanan. so ganun ba, dahil lahat may kasalanan, walang may karapatang manghusga? sige, magananakaw ako sa kalye ngayon din pero walang pwedeng manghusga sakin dahil may kasalanan din sila. ganun ba? mga batang nagnanakaw ng patingi-tingi kinukulong at hinuhusgahan natin, etong politikong nagnakaw ng libo libong boto papalampasin lang?
Ang papalit kay Arroyo ay mas madumi pa sa kanya? Aba, sino sa tin tong nanghusga nang basta ganun na lang?
Me institusyon na me karapatang humusga-katulad ng Korte.Kung alam mo ang Political Science subject mo lalo na ang iyong Constitutional Law,me tinatawag tayong karapatang pantao,that is to be PRESUMED INNOCENT unless the CONTRARY IS PROVED (BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT).Ito nag-aangkop lang sa mga kasalang KRIMINAL(kung me panadarayang nagawa si Glo,ang KORTE(it can be the COMELEC,the Senate, the Supreme Court acting as a tribunal) LANG ANG ME KARAPATANG HUMUSGA.
Kung ito’y isyong moral na hindi naman sangkot ang legal, ang CHURCH o religion mo,o kapitbahay mo ang pwedeng humusga sayo.Dito na pumapasok ang sinasabi kong,wag humusga sa dumi ng iba kung ika’y madumi rin.Kung ang pakikipag-usap ni Glo ke Garci ay immoral,eto nga ay isang pagkakamali na pwedeng mabigyan ng KAPATAWARAN kase kung hindi ka nagpapatawad,mas matindi ka pa ke Jesus.
Kung ito naman ay isyong political like Gloria lost the public confidence,we shall know if indeed the entire Filipinos want to oust her(in the next days or weeks,we can know)or NOT PWEDE MAGHINTAY TAYO NG NEXT ELECTION?
Wala kayong karapatang magpatalsik ke Glo dahil naniniwala kayo na immoral sya.Si Lord is the best judge on matters of MORALITY.
Ang Konstitusyon lang ang me FINAL SAY sa paroroonan ni Gloria at kung ANG INSTITUSYONG MAGHUSGA SA KANYA AY NAKABUO NG DESISYONG NAAYON SA INTEGRIDAD NG ATING SALIGANG BATAS….at hindi sa mga kapipiranggot na umaalsa dyan sa Makati.
Btw, pasensya na sa una kong reply na medyo offensive.
Alam mo, you shouldnt expect people to wait for others to tell them how to perceive or interpret the things theyve already seen and heard. Expecially since ang boto ng tao ang binastardo ni GMA at ng kanyang mga alipores. That is sacred. for some people, this is no just about the recent Gloria tapes, dati pa, sa simula pa lang ng canvassing kung saan hinarang ng mga allies ni Gloria ang lahat ng further scrutiny sa mga questionable COCs (”Noted! Noted! Noted!”). You cannot blame the people rallying right now because their grievances are legitimate, you cannot expect them to keep waiting for answers, for results. You have to understand the frustrations of a lot of people. As for other people like me, we also want Gloria to resign peacefully, kasi tulad mo as much as possible ayaw rin namin sa People Power. She said it herself before, she was and remains to be the singlemost divisive factor in Philippine politics. Kaya when she calls for the country to unite, it will never happen . The only way she can make that happen if she’s not president.
Malabo ring mabigyan ng hustisya ang mga taong nanakawan ng boto through impeachment dahil daaanin niya yan sa technicalities at sa bilang ng mga ka-alyado nya. Pero hindi pa rin maaaring palampasin ang kasalanan niya. So, ano ngayon ang choice ng tao? Hindi p’wedeng pabayaan na lang ‘yon. Kaya if she remains stubborn and arrogant, I firmly believe that rallying to make her step down is a viable and democratic option.
There. Good day.
Ang sa akin lang Bikoy,pawang mga PARATANG lang ang mga yan kung hindi napapatunayanan sa Korte.Merong mga madaliang paraan para malaman ang katotohanan at ang nakakainis lang,BAKIT NGAYON LANG NAGSILABASAN TONG MGA EBIDENSYA na AYON SA ATING BATAS ay dapat mailabas na lahat sa isang LEGAL NA PROTESTA.
Meron tayong tinatawag na PRE-PROCLAMATION PROTEST(lahat ng national candidates ay me abogadong naka-antabay na mag protesta kung me pandarayang nagagawa during the election day and after especially canvassing) at ELECTION CONTEST on the grounds of disenfranchisement of voters,pandaraya,terrorismo,etc na dapat maisampa 10 days after proclamation.
Ang mga TECHNICALITY na sinasabi mo ay hindi INTENDED TO OPPRESS JUSTICE but in fact in its essence FACILITATES EXPEDITIOUS JUSTICE.You can’t expect the court to tarry and wait for the proponents indifinitely to produce their evidences or to accept redundant,inadmissible ones.Isa lang ang masasabi dyan,pag wala o weak ebidensya mo,walang KATOTOHANAN ang iyong paratang.
Ang measure ng weight at admissibility ng evidence ay hindi gawa gawa lang ng mga tao sa Korte,kundi established yan since time immemorial as the best and only prudent measure to test the TRUTH.
Yong TRIAL BY PUBLICITY na ginawa ke Gloria ay labag sa kanyang karapatang pantao.NATAPOS NA ANG ELECTION at natapon na ng Korte ang ELECTION PROTEST dahil moot & academic na,PATAY NA PO SI POE.Merong tayong kasabahinan,Let Justice Be Laid In Its Final Rest kase pag inuungkat ungkat pa yan,THERE WILL BE NO END TO IT and injustice may take its course.
Bikoy,trabaho ng mga abogado ang to seek the truth;hindi na naayon sa ordinaryong mamayan na makisangkot sa usapang legal kase wala silang COMPETENCE to deal on that matter.Maiintindihan lang din natin ang kanilang FRUSTRATION kase marami silang HINDI ALAM.Kaya nga me kasabihan LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS.
Eto na nga,kase sa kakulangan sa kaalam at base lang sa kung anong NA PERCEIVE nila na totoo (which actually are pure hearsays,speculations and accusations)NAGKAKAGULO ANG PILIPINAS.
“Quick Fixes” like calling for her RESIGNATION is not and in no way the solution to this.HUminahon,maghintay,magmasid at least in this way,hindi tayo PADALOS DALOS at hindi natin PAGSISIHAN ang posibleng mangyayaring KAPALPAKAN.
HIndi URGENT ang pagpapatalsik ke GLORIA kase wala naman syang pinapatay na tao na KATULAD NI MARCOS or ini-squander NA BILYONES na katulad ni ERAP.Idaan sa maayos NA INSTITUSYONG KONTITUSYONAL AT LEGAL hindi sa paraang ka-EMOTe-an.
let me remind you na hindi rin napapatunayan sa korte na nagsquander ng bilyones si estrada. pls, mali ang double standards. bat ang dali dali mong magconclude na erap was so much worse tapos napaka stringent mo sa mga evidences against GMA. kung ngayon lang nagpoprotesta ang oposisyon, yun ay dahil wala sa kanila ang tape noon. at nagprotesta naman ang opposition noon ah, “noted” nga lang nang “noted”. gloria resigning is one of the best things she can do right now. she said it herself more than two years ago. she was and remains to be the singlemost divisive factor in philippine politics. gusto nating lahat ng unity, pero hindi yon mangyayari under glorias leadership.
According to this famous legalist,there is what we call “substantial distinction that made real differences as against double standard.”I need not elaborate kase po mahaba.
Anyway,regarding ERAP,nasa SANDIGANBAYAN na po kaso nya,kung MAHINA EBIDENSYA re PLUNDER sa kanya hindi yan aabot sa Korte.Hintayin mong umabot sa Korte yong ke Gloria,saka tayo magsalita:
According to the UP College of Psychology, the typical characteristics of a CREDIBLE WITNESS are :
1) The witness is close to the person being accused
ยท A good example given by the UP College of Psychology is Governor Chavit Singson who was part of Erap’s inner circle or “midnight cabinet”. He was very close to the Erap and practically knew the day-to-day activities of the former president which made him a credible witness in the impeachment trial.
2) The witness has an untainted moral background
.A good example given by the UP College of Psychology was Clarissa Ocampo who testified that Erap signed the name Jose Velarde in front of her. Clarissa Ocampo was then Vice President of Equitable-PCI Bank with an unblemished record of integrity and professionalism.
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Re:kung ngayon lang nagpoprotesta ang oposisyon, yun ay dahil wala sa kanila ang tape noon
Yup,kase po wala na ibang paraan ang OPPOsisyon to pin Gloria down kundi to resort sa mga ILLEGAL NA BAGAY like WIRETAPPING.Unfortunately,ang mga illegal na bagay ay hindi tinatanggap sa Korte.
Di ka nag-isip na na wiretapped nila sa Glo few days after election?(Na kasalukuyan eh me Election Protest na against sa kanya)Tapos,lumabas lang ang mga tapes nearly after a year?Na baon si Glo sa kanyang POpularity ratings?
Hypothetically,since alam nila di magagamit yon sa Korte,they have to use them to manipulate the people to do EXTRA-CONSTITUTIONAL and ILLEGAL MEANS.Kelan ba ang best timing?If not now,when?
Makinig ka sa 30-hour tape ni Paguia.Malalaman mo na marami rin palang allegedly na BUWAYA from the opposition who resorted to alleged CHEATING.Wag maglinis ng kamay ang mga mandaraya din.
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Regarding your famous line,”Gloria as a single divisive force in Phil politics”,nagpapaniwala ka sa ganyang salita pero di ka naniniwala na LAPSE OF JUDGMENT lang yong ginawa nya in talking to Garci?Ibig sabihin,di dapat paniwalaan lahat ng sinasabi,meron tayong selective judgment(bias & prejudice).
In my case,the single DIVISIVE FORCE IN POLITICS is the PEOPLE.Hanggang hindi namulat ang lahat sa paraang MAAYOS,tayo at tayo ANG CAUSE NG DIVISIVENESS hindi si Glo.Biktima lang sya sa KUKALANGAN AT SOBRANG PAG-IISIP NG MGA PINOY.
hindi ako maka-oposisyon pero I feel the need to defend their side from your double standards
HUH? so hindi pa nga convicted of his guilt si Erap. Ikaw tong nanghusga na na corrupt sya at plunderer sya at guilty sya eh.
hindi ko alam kung bakit napakastringent mo on evidences against gloria pero napakaluwag mo sa mga ASSUMPTIONS mo against the opposition. yang mga pinagsasabi mo bang ‘yan eh may ebidensya ka? credible ka ba? close ka ba sa kanila?
tapos sa mga witnesses against erap, tiwalang-tiwala ka agad ah. ang mga witnesses kay gloria puro mga immoral ba? immoral ba sa tingin mo ang NAMFREL offificial from Lanao na nagsasabing nagkaroon nga ng dayaan doon. Immoral ba at hindi credible ang IT expert na gumawa ng pagaaral at nagpapatunay na nagkaroon ng ng malawakang dayaan sa eleksyon lalu na sa Mindanao?
ikaw ba napakinggan mo yung tape? saan doon nagsasabi na nandaya rin ang oposisyon?
so kasalanan na pala ngayon ang pagiging mapanuri at mapag-isip?
pls, wag kang manunumbat ng pagiging hipokrito ng ibang tao kung ganun ka rin. forgive me for being “rude” pero ikaw tong unang nambastos at nanghusga eh.
Hi. This is Victor from http://www.bikoy.net . I was reviewing our past debate and I feel the need to apologize for being rude and rash. Please accept my apologies.
Thats about it. Have a nice day..Victor
Apology accepted..
Lahat tayo ay mapaghusga pero dito tayo sa lebel ng hinuhusgahang katotohanan at sa paraan ng paghuhusga nagkakatalo…
Magkakaiba tayo sa paggamit ng ating Logic,COMMON SENSE at Kaalaman, at lalo na sa pag-papalabas ng emosyon..Me kaibahan daw ang pagiging REACTIONARY at pagiging RESPONSIVE sa problema.
Walang nanalo sa debate kung lahat sarado ang isip sa PANINIWALANG ANG AYON SA KANYA LANG ANG MAGANDA AT MABUTI.(kaya dapat me judge at dapat sports lang at walang personalan)
Kung aling paraan ang ginagamit natin,iyan ay pagkakaloob ng KAKAIBANG KATANGIAN NG BAWAT ISA.
Sa pagbibigay ng respeto lang tayo magkakasundo.
potang ina nyu lahat lalo na kay GMA
it was unfair on the part of our president that we are going to throw all the claims unto her about the calamities that we are experiencing now. hindi ba’t may pananagutan din tayo hinggil dito? ayon nga sa kasabihan “do not ask your country what she can do for you, instead ask yourself what you can do for your country”. it is not the president herself who is doing false work. the big pressure was in her shoulder it is not an easy task to be a president of a country na halos mabaon na sa utang…. may be it is only the effect of our lack of self discipline on ourselves….it is better if we want improvements we must start it in ourselves and influence others afterwards.