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		<title>By: paolomendoza</title>
		<link>http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2006/11/12/dont-force-others-to-sacrifice-with-you/#comment-195652</link>
		<dc:creator>paolomendoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 06:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>musta naman yun, UP na yan ah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>musta naman yun, UP na yan ah.</p>
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		<title>By: No Way to ToFI, Mareng Winnie // MISTERYOSA</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Way to ToFI, Mareng Winnie // MISTERYOSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 13:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can read arguments and counter-arguments at Bikoy&#8217;s site. I&#8217;m tired. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: elcomandante</title>
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		<dc:creator>elcomandante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 03:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hanggang ngayon wala parin akong naririnig na sensible na sagot kung bakit kailangang i-subsidize ng gobyerno ang tertiary education particularly ang UP.

sobrang mali ang logic na porke inilalaan sa mga maling bagay ang budget ng pamahalaan e.g. all out war sa npa atbp. eh tama ng sabihin na dapat sa UP  at iba pang state universities na lang inilaan ang budget.

bakit? unang una hindi naman talaga obligasyon ng gobyerno ang pagpapaaral sa kolehiyo. mas tamang sabhin na sana sa elementary at secondary education na lang inilaan ang pera dahil iyun naman talaga ang sakop ng responsibilidad ng estado. at naniniwala akong iyon talaga ang dapat bigyan ng importansya, hindi ang tertiary education.

kung may dapat mang sisihin dahil sa biglaang TFI na ito, walang iba kundi ang mga naunang administrasyong ng UP dahil hindi nila ginamit sa pagre-raise ng pondo ang mga pagkalaki-laking lupa na ibinigay sa kanila ng gobyerno noong itinatag ang UP.

heh. pano nga pala mangyayari yun eh sa tuwing iu-utilize ang mga idle na lupain na pagaari ang UP eh kokontrahin ng mga tibak na yan. 
komersyalisasyon daw. 

ayan. may kome-komersyalisasyon pa kayong nalalaman eh. di nyo naman talaga naiintindihan yang mga pinag-sisisigaw nyo. tapos sisigaw ulit kayo ng komersyalisasyon ngayon. 

sadyang puro kayo kakitiran ng utak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hanggang ngayon wala parin akong naririnig na sensible na sagot kung bakit kailangang i-subsidize ng gobyerno ang tertiary education particularly ang UP.</p>
<p>sobrang mali ang logic na porke inilalaan sa mga maling bagay ang budget ng pamahalaan e.g. all out war sa npa atbp. eh tama ng sabihin na dapat sa UP  at iba pang state universities na lang inilaan ang budget.</p>
<p>bakit? unang una hindi naman talaga obligasyon ng gobyerno ang pagpapaaral sa kolehiyo. mas tamang sabhin na sana sa elementary at secondary education na lang inilaan ang pera dahil iyun naman talaga ang sakop ng responsibilidad ng estado. at naniniwala akong iyon talaga ang dapat bigyan ng importansya, hindi ang tertiary education.</p>
<p>kung may dapat mang sisihin dahil sa biglaang TFI na ito, walang iba kundi ang mga naunang administrasyong ng UP dahil hindi nila ginamit sa pagre-raise ng pondo ang mga pagkalaki-laking lupa na ibinigay sa kanila ng gobyerno noong itinatag ang UP.</p>
<p>heh. pano nga pala mangyayari yun eh sa tuwing iu-utilize ang mga idle na lupain na pagaari ang UP eh kokontrahin ng mga tibak na yan.<br />
komersyalisasyon daw. </p>
<p>ayan. may kome-komersyalisasyon pa kayong nalalaman eh. di nyo naman talaga naiintindihan yang mga pinag-sisisigaw nyo. tapos sisigaw ulit kayo ng komersyalisasyon ngayon. </p>
<p>sadyang puro kayo kakitiran ng utak.</p>
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		<title>By: macky</title>
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		<dc:creator>macky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"just because you’re of a higher income class doesn’t make you a “UP wannabe”"

wala naman sinabi si ana na ang higher class lang ang UP wannabees. it't not even implied.or kung anumang dahilan kung bakit mo nasabi yang pahayag na yan, very obvious naman di ba?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;just because you’re of a higher income class doesn’t make you a “UP wannabe”&#8221;</p>
<p>wala naman sinabi si ana na ang higher class lang ang UP wannabees. it&#8217;t not even implied.or kung anumang dahilan kung bakit mo nasabi yang pahayag na yan, very obvious naman di ba?</p>
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		<title>By: macky</title>
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		<dc:creator>macky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at san mo naman nakuha yang definition mo ng college decucation celeni? ang hirap sa yo puro ka kasi mga teorya. hindi masama ito ngunit mas mapagpasya ang praktika. imagine the phils kung wala tayong college grad. at again to reiterate din, tulad ng sabi ni bikoy, hindi ibig sabihin nito pababayaan natin ang basic educ. i know basic educ, silly din. tingnan nga natin sa kabuuan kase. sa kontekstong ito, hindi mo pwedeng basta i-adapt ang ginawa sa ibang mga bayang. hindi necessarily pareho ang sitwasyon sa knaila. models tha work for them may not work for us because of different concrete conditions present. halimbawa na lng ang mga developed nilang basic industries as against ours and so on. basta mahaba usapan. i have a life timang haha. kelangan nating ng mga college grad. kaya nga may mga SCUs hello. (itawag mo na yan). ibatay mo kasi ang mga argumento mo sa praktika, sa mga nangyayari rito at hindi yang iginigiit mong mga teorya na yan. watsoever din . pagnilayan mo kasi hindi mo naman talaga lubusang nasasagot kaya nga siguro andami mo nasasabihan na nasagot mo na ang mga isyu nila. nagre-recur. and to reiterate din,  i have a life ha, timang. haha. bwahaha celeni.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at san mo naman nakuha yang definition mo ng college decucation celeni? ang hirap sa yo puro ka kasi mga teorya. hindi masama ito ngunit mas mapagpasya ang praktika. imagine the phils kung wala tayong college grad. at again to reiterate din, tulad ng sabi ni bikoy, hindi ibig sabihin nito pababayaan natin ang basic educ. i know basic educ, silly din. tingnan nga natin sa kabuuan kase. sa kontekstong ito, hindi mo pwedeng basta i-adapt ang ginawa sa ibang mga bayang. hindi necessarily pareho ang sitwasyon sa knaila. models tha work for them may not work for us because of different concrete conditions present. halimbawa na lng ang mga developed nilang basic industries as against ours and so on. basta mahaba usapan. i have a life timang haha. kelangan nating ng mga college grad. kaya nga may mga SCUs hello. (itawag mo na yan). ibatay mo kasi ang mga argumento mo sa praktika, sa mga nangyayari rito at hindi yang iginigiit mong mga teorya na yan. watsoever din . pagnilayan mo kasi hindi mo naman talaga lubusang nasasagot kaya nga siguro andami mo nasasabihan na nasagot mo na ang mga isyu nila. nagre-recur. and to reiterate din,  i have a life ha, timang. haha. bwahaha celeni.</p>
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		<title>By: Celeni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi macky,

Mairita ka na kung maiirita ka, pero ako rin naiirita na. Lahat ng isyu mo nasagot na sa lahat ng comments at yung comments sa &lt;a href="http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2006/11/13/still-no-to-tuition-increases/#comments" rel="nofollow"&gt;kabilang thread&lt;/a&gt;. Get a life, while you're at it since you obviously are too lazy to read and just want to repeat the same things over and over again in the Filipino language to be more I don't know... socially relevant.

as for ana,
well, intelligence isn't exclusive in income class (again, a reiterated point), just because you're of a higher income class doesn't make you a "UP wannabe". In case you didn't know, meron na ngang affirmative action FOR public school students. Of course, it's the demise of the country that BASIC EDUCATION (no macky, this DOES NOT INCLUDE TERTIARY EDUCATION - because by definition college education is mainly for individualistic gains) system, but it's a meritocracy more than anything else if we're talking about universities. Especially if it's THE UP Diliman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi macky,</p>
<p>Mairita ka na kung maiirita ka, pero ako rin naiirita na. Lahat ng isyu mo nasagot na sa lahat ng comments at yung comments sa <a href="http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2006/11/13/still-no-to-tuition-increases/#comments" rel="nofollow">kabilang thread</a>. Get a life, while you&#8217;re at it since you obviously are too lazy to read and just want to repeat the same things over and over again in the Filipino language to be more I don&#8217;t know&#8230; socially relevant.</p>
<p>as for ana,<br />
well, intelligence isn&#8217;t exclusive in income class (again, a reiterated point), just because you&#8217;re of a higher income class doesn&#8217;t make you a &#8220;UP wannabe&#8221;. In case you didn&#8217;t know, meron na ngang affirmative action FOR public school students. Of course, it&#8217;s the demise of the country that BASIC EDUCATION (no macky, this DOES NOT INCLUDE TERTIARY EDUCATION - because by definition college education is mainly for individualistic gains) system, but it&#8217;s a meritocracy more than anything else if we&#8217;re talking about universities. Especially if it&#8217;s THE UP Diliman.</p>
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		<title>By: ana</title>
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		<dc:creator>ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pinoy Stupid wrote: UP is for the intelligent, not the poor.

I beg to disagree. UP is for the poor AND the intelligent, and because it\'s a public school, it should serve intelligent-poor people before the intelligent-affluent UP-wannabes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pinoy Stupid wrote: UP is for the intelligent, not the poor.</p>
<p>I beg to disagree. UP is for the poor AND the intelligent, and because it\&#8217;s a public school, it should serve intelligent-poor people before the intelligent-affluent UP-wannabes.</p>
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		<title>By: MISTERYOSA.ORG &#187; No Way to ToFI, Mareng Winnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>MISTERYOSA.ORG &#187; No Way to ToFI, Mareng Winnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You can read arguments and counter-arguments at Bikoy&#8217;s site. I&#8217;m tired. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: macky</title>
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		<dc:creator>macky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 05:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;small&gt;"If government was already inefficient in the basics of social service, who are we to demand something as peripheral as tertiary education? There are far more important things than tertiary education"&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

e hello, kaya nga tayo may gobyerno! we're paying taxes nga po. at tingnan mo kaya ang alocations ng budget para sa sinasabi mong mga impt things. kung apathetic ka sa ganitong cause, i pity you. hindi kita masisisi kung bakit mabababaw ang itinuturo ng finance subjects mo sa yo kaya hindi mo nakikita ang tunay na isyu. puro teorya ka lng, kulang ka sa praktika. magmasid ka sa paligid mo....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><small>&#8220;If government was already inefficient in the basics of social service, who are we to demand something as peripheral as tertiary education? There are far more important things than tertiary education&#8221;</small></p></blockquote>
<p>e hello, kaya nga tayo may gobyerno! we&#8217;re paying taxes nga po. at tingnan mo kaya ang alocations ng budget para sa sinasabi mong mga impt things. kung apathetic ka sa ganitong cause, i pity you. hindi kita masisisi kung bakit mabababaw ang itinuturo ng finance subjects mo sa yo kaya hindi mo nakikita ang tunay na isyu. puro teorya ka lng, kulang ka sa praktika. magmasid ka sa paligid mo&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: macky</title>
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		<dc:creator>macky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 05:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;small&gt;"I think tuition free increase is justified. Basic education is a right, but college education is already a privilege. In terms of resource allocation, I think that the government should spend more money in the public school system, and let tuition fees increase for unis".
'Also i agree with Celeni, basic education is a right, and if we really want to help those at poverty level, we should fight for greater subsidy not for UP but for those primary and secondary schools so students from poor families would have the chance to enter UP. Calling a greater subsidy for the university is taking away resources from other public educational institutions"&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sobrang nakakairita ang pahayag na ito. Pano magiging justified ang TFI e state university nga ang UP na dapat ay nangunguna sa pagbibigay ng mura (affordable/accessible) at dekalidad na edukasyon. Lumilikha lamang ito ng di-makatarunang batayan upang makapag-aral sa Unibersidad. At sa usapin ng STFAP, alam na natin ang kasaysayan nito mga kapatid. Paki-research na lng po. At bakit kailangang maging privilege ang college ducation? Sa puntong ito, tinatanggap mo na ang ganitong bulok na sistema, na wla na tayong mgagawa pa para rito.. At tungkol sa punto ninyo ukol sa unis at public school system, Hindi iba ang usapin ng public school system (basic education or whatever u call it) at ng mga unis na sinasabi nyo. Usapin ito ng attitude ng ating gobeyerno sa edukayon sa kabuuan. (pati na rin sa iba pang basic social services.)

at tungkol sa intergenerational fairness na binanggit: In my own opinion, its our responsibility to ensure the welfare of future genrations. We can do this by any small means that we can. Lahat ng bagay na meron tayo ngayon ay dahil sa pagpupunyagi ng mga nakaraang henerasyon. Lahat ng mga karapatan at kalayaang tinatamsa natin ay bunga ng mga pakikipaglaban ng mga nauna sa atin. Mga pakikibakang hindi madaling napagtagumpayan. Pakiisip ng implications ng TFI. Mag-reflect muna tayo mga kapatid kung hindi obvious sa inyo ang halimaw at injustice na dala nito.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><small>&#8220;I think tuition free increase is justified. Basic education is a right, but college education is already a privilege. In terms of resource allocation, I think that the government should spend more money in the public school system, and let tuition fees increase for unis&#8221;.<br />
&#8216;Also i agree with Celeni, basic education is a right, and if we really want to help those at poverty level, we should fight for greater subsidy not for UP but for those primary and secondary schools so students from poor families would have the chance to enter UP. Calling a greater subsidy for the university is taking away resources from other public educational institutions&#8221;</small></p></blockquote>
<p>Sobrang nakakairita ang pahayag na ito. Pano magiging justified ang TFI e state university nga ang UP na dapat ay nangunguna sa pagbibigay ng mura (affordable/accessible) at dekalidad na edukasyon. Lumilikha lamang ito ng di-makatarunang batayan upang makapag-aral sa Unibersidad. At sa usapin ng STFAP, alam na natin ang kasaysayan nito mga kapatid. Paki-research na lng po. At bakit kailangang maging privilege ang college ducation? Sa puntong ito, tinatanggap mo na ang ganitong bulok na sistema, na wla na tayong mgagawa pa para rito.. At tungkol sa punto ninyo ukol sa unis at public school system, Hindi iba ang usapin ng public school system (basic education or whatever u call it) at ng mga unis na sinasabi nyo. Usapin ito ng attitude ng ating gobeyerno sa edukayon sa kabuuan. (pati na rin sa iba pang basic social services.)</p>
<p>at tungkol sa intergenerational fairness na binanggit: In my own opinion, its our responsibility to ensure the welfare of future genrations. We can do this by any small means that we can. Lahat ng bagay na meron tayo ngayon ay dahil sa pagpupunyagi ng mga nakaraang henerasyon. Lahat ng mga karapatan at kalayaang tinatamsa natin ay bunga ng mga pakikipaglaban ng mga nauna sa atin. Mga pakikibakang hindi madaling napagtagumpayan. Pakiisip ng implications ng TFI. Mag-reflect muna tayo mga kapatid kung hindi obvious sa inyo ang halimaw at injustice na dala nito.</p>
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