Comments on: Illusions of prosperity http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:54:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Ryan Bouwmeester http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-233305 Ryan Bouwmeester Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:18:34 +0000 http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-233305 Hey, do you have high resolution versions of these? I just returned from the Philippines on a 6 month business trip and was never able to get any high quality pictures of the skyline and would like a few for my apartment Thanks! Ryan Hey, do you have high resolution versions of these? I just returned from the Philippines on a 6 month business trip and was never able to get any high quality pictures of the skyline and would like a few for my apartment

Thanks!
Ryan

]]> By: Sam http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224631 Sam Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:34:54 +0000 http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224631 Conceded that the president has co-opted many democratic mechanisms, but I don't think that we've exhausted all peaceful ways just yet. If that were true then that would be testament to a flawed system and not just the people who head it because how could one person legally paralyze all check and balance mechanisms? But thats an entirely different discussion on its own. As for taking to the streets, ideally this would be perfectly peaceful and perhaps to some extent effective in overthrowing an illegitimate leader. But perhaps why such a recourse has lost its potency is because time and time again we've resorted to taking to the streets in the passionate fervor that it merits but when the leader is over thrown and all the frenzy has died down, the question still remains, what happens the morning after? Obviously, this extends to quite a lengthy conversation. Perhaps we can discuss it in better detail next time :D Cya around :P Conceded that the president has co-opted many democratic mechanisms, but I don’t think that we’ve exhausted all peaceful ways just yet. If that were true then that would be testament to a flawed system and not just the people who head it because how could one person legally paralyze all check and balance mechanisms? But thats an entirely different discussion on its own.

As for taking to the streets, ideally this would be perfectly peaceful and perhaps to some extent effective in overthrowing an illegitimate leader. But perhaps why such a recourse has lost its potency is because time and time again we’ve resorted to taking to the streets in the passionate fervor that it merits but when the leader is over thrown and all the frenzy has died down, the question still remains, what happens the morning after?

Obviously, this extends to quite a lengthy conversation. Perhaps we can discuss it in better detail next time :D

Cya around :P

]]> By: Bikoy http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224620 Bikoy Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:59:46 +0000 http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224620 hi sam. though i don't condone the method they used to undertake their 'rebellion', may i remind you that the President has quelled all legal and 'peaceful' venues. elections? rigging. impeachment? bribes. investigations? silence, executive orders and propaganda. true, there's a more democratic and peaceful way for the people. the venue's on the streets. though the state answers dissent on the streets with barricades, water canons and violent dispersals, its the only potent means of challenging the administration that is available to the ordinary Filipino. hi sam. though i don’t condone the method they used to undertake their ‘rebellion’, may i remind you that the President has quelled all legal and ‘peaceful’ venues. elections? rigging. impeachment? bribes. investigations? silence, executive orders and propaganda.

true, there’s a more democratic and peaceful way for the people. the venue’s on the streets. though the state answers dissent on the streets with barricades, water canons and violent dispersals, its the only potent means of challenging the administration that is available to the ordinary Filipino.

]]> By: Sam http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224615 Sam Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:18:54 +0000 http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224615 Breath taking views indeed :D Unfortunately, I think what those rebel soldiers did was hardly noble. Knowingly endangering civilians by putting them in compromising situations and practically using them as human shields would hardly qualify as noble. There is no legitimate reason to justify such blatant disregard for the consequences of their actions or the lives of the people who might get caught in the crossfire. Even if I did empathize with their cause, there are more democratic and peaceful ways of attaining change. This stunt only makes people that were ambivalent become averse to their cause. If most people couldn't care less if Manila Pen is bombed, they should. Perhaps it should occur to them that it would affect the people who would get killed, the economy, our social stability, and more importantly their job security in the long run - and I'm not talking about that privileged CEO but those laborers working in factories that are heavily dependent on foreign investors. Its about time they cared, its about time all of us cared. Of course, if you feel differently its no big. That's just what I thought :D Breath taking views indeed :D

Unfortunately, I think what those rebel soldiers did was hardly noble. Knowingly endangering civilians by putting them in compromising situations and practically using them as human shields would hardly qualify as noble. There is no legitimate reason to justify such blatant disregard for the consequences of their actions or the lives of the people who might get caught in the crossfire.

Even if I did empathize with their cause, there are more democratic and peaceful ways of attaining change. This stunt only makes people that were ambivalent become averse to their cause.

If most people couldn’t care less if Manila Pen is bombed, they should. Perhaps it should occur to them that it would affect the people who would get killed, the economy, our social stability, and more importantly their job security in the long run - and I’m not talking about that privileged CEO but those laborers working in factories that are heavily dependent on foreign investors. Its about time they cared, its about time all of us cared.

Of course, if you feel differently its no big. That’s just what I thought :D

]]> By: chiara http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224555 chiara Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:48:29 +0000 http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224555 mauubos din ang luha ng bansang ito. mauubos din ang luha ng bansang ito.

]]> By: Celeni http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224501 Celeni Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:44:44 +0000 http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224501 How can they not care? Of course they will care! It's a matter of choice of words. I guess what Jeff meant was that most Filipinos will be <i>indifferent</i> whether or not they decide to cross-fire in the Pen, Makati Shang or Malcañang. Anyway, this is so irrelevant, but anyway, yes, either of those places would have had a special attachment in my heart anyway. Because of uh... "fond memories". How can they not care? Of course they will care! It’s a matter of choice of words. I guess what Jeff meant was that most Filipinos will be indifferent whether or not they decide to cross-fire in the Pen, Makati Shang or Malcañang.

Anyway, this is so irrelevant, but anyway, yes, either of those places would have had a special attachment in my heart anyway. Because of uh… “fond memories”.

]]> By: Bikoy http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224500 Bikoy Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:40:37 +0000 http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224500 youre too cute celeni. i think what he meant was that unlike you and the privileged few of this country, majority of Filipinos wouldnt care less if they bombed the manila pen. youre too cute celeni. i think what he meant was that unlike you and the privileged few of this country, majority of Filipinos wouldnt care less if they bombed the manila pen.

]]> By: Celeni http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224499 Celeni Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:35:56 +0000 http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224499 You are too cute Jeff. People would've had fonder memories of it (myself included) if something more um... "historically benchmarking" happened yesterday. You are too cute Jeff. People would’ve had fonder memories of it (myself included) if something more um… “historically benchmarking” happened yesterday.

]]> By: jeff http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224496 jeff Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:21:12 +0000 http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224496 how funny this celeni is... unfortunately, majority, i repeat, MAJORITY of filipinos do not have very fond memories of Manila Pen like you do. and i suppose they would not be affected as you are if it case it gets bombed either by the military or by military extremists. how funny this celeni is… unfortunately, majority, i repeat, MAJORITY of filipinos do not have very fond memories of Manila Pen like you do. and i suppose they would not be affected as you are if it case it gets bombed either by the military or by military extremists.

]]> By: Celeni http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224484 Celeni Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:00:13 +0000 http://www.bikoy.net/archives/2007/11/30/illusions-of-prosperity/#comment-224484 You made Makati look so purty. I have very fond memories nga of the Manila Pen, I can't believe someone would actually get a tank into the lobby. You made Makati look so purty. I have very fond memories nga of the Manila Pen, I can’t believe someone would actually get a tank into the lobby.

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